Still Singing with KC Armstrong
On “Still Singing”, KC Armstrong will be sitting down with other vocal artists he has worked with throughout his years as a professional singer. Having sung with many university ensembles, two military choruses, a number of top tier civilian choirs, and professional gospel quartets, he has plenty of friends to chat with about their musical journeys and the power of music through song!
Still Singing with KC Armstrong
How Music On A Dusty FOB Kept A Warrior Alive
A single song on a dusty flight line can change the ending of someone’s story. That’s where we start with Ryan Carson—third-generation Air Force, Singing Sergeants alum, and former frontman of the service’s show group that became Max Impact—who shares how music carried him from White House holiday rooms to forward operating bases few airmen ever reach.
We revisit the whirlwind of 1999 when diplomas, weddings, and basic training stacked up, and the young voices were thrown straight into medleys, ceremonies, and the quiet diplomacy of “quarters” gigs at generals’ homes. Ryan walks us through his move from the classical polish of the Singing Sergeants to the choreography, original writing, and top‑40 energy of High Flight and Max Impact. He explains why the band wrote songs like Send Me for Special Tactics, Stand for the Honor Guard, and Locked and Loaded during the post‑9/11 tempo—music crafted to honor, to steady nerves, and to put language to service when words fail.
Then we go downrange. Small teams, big stakes, and set lists designed for recognition and relief. After closing with Home, a Green Beret pressed his Special Forces patch into Ryan’s chest and said the music saved his life. That moment anchors a larger theme: music as a time machine and medicine, a bridge between uniforms and hometowns, and a way to humanize the people who carry the weight. We also talk about faith’s quiet thread in military music—how sacred texts live inside patriotic programs—and how worship leading and community roots shape life after retirement.
If you care about military music, morale, and the power a familiar song carries us through tough places, this one’s for you. Listen, share with someone who needs a lift, and if the show resonates, subscribe and leave a review so others can find these stories.
Just Keep Singing
And then I look back on it now and I'm like, we were crazy. Flying into some fob somewhere and getting off and playing, right? But man, I'll never forget we got done doing that and this big burly green beret came up to me and he took off his uh army special forces patch and he threw it at my chest and he just looking at me and I said, Can I help you? Like I I didn't even know what to say. He said, I just wanted to let you know you saved my life tonight. And I was like, what are you talking about?
Music :Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah- sung by KC Armstrong and King’s Cadence
KC:Welcome to Still Singing. I'm KC Armstrong and through the years I've had the privilege of singing with a number of different professional ensembles and groups, and um I'm excited about this podcast, sharing with you guys um friends and fellow singers that I've worked with today. We're gonna be meeting uh Ryan Carson. Ryan Carson and I were um in the Singing Sergeants together. I'm gonna let him share about his life, his family, and um the music that we were able to enjoy together with the U.S. Air Force Singing Sergeants. See you in a bit.
Music :Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah- sung by KC Armstrong and King’s Cadence
KC:Alright, buddy, we're here. This is it. So dude, like so I was trying to figure out how long it's been. Yeah. I know I've seen you since Kara's 40th birthday. But maybe we got together and did some recording, probably. Maybe it's been a minute though. It has been a while.
Ryan :It's been too long.
KC:So it was great to see you and Angie as I walked in today. This is man, what a beautiful, beautiful yard you got here. Thanks for letting me set up a shop here with you.
Ryan :Yeah.
KC:But let's start right now with remind me when you retired.
Ryan :Uh December of 21, but it's really like 22, because it's 31 December, so it's like we're this weird, like, you know, 21, 22. Yeah.
KC:I got you. Yeah, I got you. Yeah. And uh tell me what's going on now, man.
Ryan :So we're still in the same house. As you know, the blessing of our jobs in the military was we didn't have to move right like the typical military folks. So, man, we bought this place when Angie was pregnant with our first, and we've been here ever since. And uh, yeah, retirement, it was just time for us to go, you know, leading during COVID and all that stuff, especially being in performing ensemble. You know, it was just time for to go, and we really felt God pushing us out, closing doors. So great move for us. Hard to see in the moment, right? You're like, what are you gonna do? But now it's just super blessed. Now I'm dipping my toe in real estate. So I I'm working for uh a title company doing uh title insurance. Probably gonna get my real estate license here shortly and uh start doing some buying and selling myself. Yeah, and uh yeah, it's just been really great. It's kind of like uh I work for an amazing company, it's a all-woman-owned company and one of the largest title companies in Maryland, and it's just been great.
KC:The big question is how far is your commute?
Ryan :Literally 17 minutes from my driveway. Oh man, yeah, big difference, right? I mean, you're the king of commutes, so I get it.
KC:Yeah, let's not get started with that. Uh I'll have to do my own podcast at some point for that. But all right, cool, man. Facebook allows us to keep up. It's like we're there, but we're not. So it's been really great watching you and your kids, man, just do life. And so, you know, we share a lot in common as far as growing up. You know, I know you grew up in a military family, so tell me about that, man.
Ryan :Yeah, so actually I'm third generation in the Air Force. So wow. Yeah, so my grandpa was Army Air Corps, and then it became the Air Force, right? While he was still in. Yeah. So uh that was my mom's father, and then my dad uh joined the Air Force, and so when I came in, yeah, I was third generation at that point. That's awesome. But yeah, raised in a military family. Um, really all I ever knew, you know, especially with my grandparents being military, and you know, my dad met my mom in Japan playing drums at the O club. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I mean it's just kind of been in our mom plays drums? No. Anyway, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I recently just found out this is what's cool about this story, is that he made Chief. They were gonna PCS us, uh-huh, and I was so plugged in to the music program there in our high school that he actually turned down the stripe, and I didn't really know. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so he never put on chief, then he retired because he didn't want to move me out because I was doing so much in the community with performing and stuff, and he was like, No, we need to stay here. And he loved it there too. You know, he loved the Rapid City area and the Black Hills, and so I never knew that part of the story. And then for me now to make Chief, it just kind of went on retired and yeah, and he's he got to see that, man.
KC:So that's a big deal. And yeah, he was great, man. Um, your dad, I mean, I thought you were spunky, you know, it's like spunk was his middle name, man. Yeah, he was a good dude.
Ryan :That dude, um yeah, aircraft maintainer by trade.
KC:My favorite quote that stuck was he called me a knuckle dragger or something. Like Yeah, he always called you knuckle dragger. Knuckle drager. I was like, I mean, I listen, I do believe in Sasquatch and I love Sasquatch, but I mean I don't know if I'm a knuckle dragger, but anyway. Well, man, yeah, I know your dad was proud of your career. I know your mom is proud. I was glad to get to meet those guys. So tell me about like how you found out about the gig.
Ryan :So it's funny. I was at the University of Wyoming and I was taking uh voice lessons from my choral instructor there was Professor Carlisle Weiss. He recently passed away, but just an amazing dude. And he approached me one day and he was like, you know, hey, you should really think about the army chorus, right? And I was like, the army chorus, and he was in the army chorus, I guess, oh back in the day.
KC:Yeah, his name sounds familiar.
Ryan :And then so he started talking to me about this stuff, but I was, you know, grew up Air Force, so I was like, Well, do they have anything like that in the Air Force? And he's like, Well, I think they do. And then I'm not kidding you, like two days later, there was like a flyer posted in the fine arts building that said, like, they're hiring a tenor vocalist or something, right? For the Air Force. And I was like, Okay, well, I'm gonna do this. So I went to my professor and I said, You know, you think we could do this? And he said, Oh, let's do it, you know, and literally walked to the media center there, right? And put together a physical cassette tape of some songs and shipped it off to DC and uh rest is history from there.
KC:Let's talk about 1999, right? Because that was a big year for both of us. Like we both finished school, we both got married, yeah. We both joined the Air Force Singing Sergeants.
Ryan :Yeah.
KC:We now both have three kids. Like, I mean, I remember that first year. I was about four months behind you, yeah, coming in. And I just remember we hit it off from the right the game, you and Angie, me and Kara.
Ryan :Yeah.
KC:Um tell me about that year for you.
Ryan :Yeah, well, I mean, what a whirlwind year, right? Like I graduated what in May, and my report date at Basic was two June, right? So literally, like had a couple weeks at home to get our stuff together, ship off to BASIC, and then do basic training. And then, you know, Angie and I literally packed up our cars with walkie-talkies because we didn't have cell phones, you know, anything like that. And just drove out here. We had no idea what we were doing. You know, I figured we'd live on base somewhere. I was just like, ah, they just live on base, you know. And driving out to the DC area had no clue. No clue. I love it. And uh, yeah, just pulling the band-aid off and getting here, and then and then as you know, like we were part of the young crew then, right? Because you know, we were youngsters.
KC:Yeah, it was kind of a turnover.
Ryan :Yeah, it was a big turnover, and uh, you know, you they plugged us in right away. Like I was memorizing medley's like the first three days I was there, right? So, yeah, just that whole whirlwind of that first couple of months, and then you arrived like shortly after, and you're right. Like, I was like, This is my dude, man.
KC:Like you know, and then we became roommates on the road and um I was thinking this morning about that first year's when did you sign into bowling? In July? Uh it was in July. July, yeah. So I signed in in October, and I remember the first gig was at the homestead, Virginia Music Educators. Yeah. It was the band and chorus. Yeah. That was my first gig. And then, you know, some quarters gigs and stuff like that, I think, involved in Yeah, tell them what quarters gig is where we're you know where we're gonna be.
Ryan :Oh, yeah, yeah.
KC:So the quarters gigs is when we go to the generals' homes. Um like this, sing on their patio. Yeah, yeah. A patio. We hold in the basement, come through the kitchen door, we sing for them in their parties. Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff typically lived on Fort Meyer. The Air Force Chief of Staff that that time lived on Fort Meyer. Yep. The Army Chief of Staff there. Yep. And so we were on Fort Meyer, and then we would do other generals, some on bowling, some elsewhere. But that would be just like an evening gig that you wouldn't see on the news or in the paper. It was just us going in and entertaining the general and his guests. Yeah.
Ryan :But ironically, I sometimes the next morning, like we'd watch the news or something, and then you'd see like the people we were entertaining the night before that were here. You're like, oh, that's why I was here. Right. You know what I mean?
KC:I thought they were just meeting to play golf or something.
Ryan :Yeah, I know. I know. I mean, everything from like, you know, foreign dignitaries to the president of Chabani yogurt, right? I mean, it was like you name it. They they showed up at those things. So and Christmas parties and we lived at the White House in December, you know what I mean?
KC:Well, first of all, we roomed together two or twice a year, typically three-week tours. We were roommates. No, we had so many stores, bro. Yeah, no, there's all kinds of stuff. Um we're keeping this PG rated thinking about it. Or oh, remember that colonel that was saying he said, guys, ought to bring a tear to a glass eye. Anyway, um so you switched to the rock band. Was it already max impact?
Ryan :No, it was high flight.
KC:High flight.
Ryan :Yeah, it was still high flight, yeah.
KC:When you did that before I switched to the army. Yeah, yeah. So tell me about that. When you switched to the room.
Ryan :So what was that? Like I was in the singers maybe three years, maybe? So 03? Something around there. Yeah, it wasn't. I switched in 04. I feel like it was Yeah, it's like the probably the year before you switched. So yeah, I got approached by the then guitar player and leader of High Flight back then, which was the premier show group of the United States Air Force, right? Right. Um, and he was like, hey, you know, the lead singer, he's gonna be like retiring, you should do this. And it wasn't even on my radar, you know. I figured that was the the gig we all wanted to get the singers, and then I started thinking about it, and I was like, Well, if I'm gonna do this gig, I want to audition like everybody else. So I went through the audition process and actually ended up winning the gig and totally different than the singers, right? Where we're standing on on stage with a folder, and now I'm doing dances and choreography and you know, all this stuff. And so, but honestly, man, one of the best decisions and one of the best things that happened to me was going over to that group, you know, right during that time. You know, I was young and we were able to be some of the first people to ever deploy and do missions, you know, downrange because of that. But totally different bag within the same building, but a totally different experience.
KC:No, I know it was it was over the top. I loved watching them, like you said, it high flight was kind of the the quartet of vocals with band. Yeah.
Ryan :Five vocals, you can see some people transitioned out.
KC:So they had they had vocals in band, and it was definitely like a top 40, like you said, show group kind of a thing. But yeah, man, when you went over and you guys switched over, changed the name to Max Impact, and and started rocking hard. Yeah. And it was so fun to watch from a distance, or across the hall rather.
Ryan :Something just popped up in my brain, though, a memory of you and I pre-High Flight when we were still both in the singers. Yeah, yeah. Because I found the video of it and it was us performing the Backstreet Boys at AFA. You remember that? Yes.
KC:I want it that way.
Ryan :Yeah, yeah, I want it that way. And remember uh Ken had his guitar on when he comes out and the thing fell off. And then I watched that video just I think I was home this last summer and I found that video and I watched it.
KC:Yeah, you gotta share that with them, man.
Ryan :You and I always had like, like, you know, I was never like the choral guy that like a lot of our colleagues like knew every opera, knew every, you know, you and I were always in the same boat, like, we just want to sing. I know, like, whatever. We're just built to sing. And I think we would sing whatever they put in front of us, yeah. If it was a pop song or if it was, you know what I mean.
KC:So I think another thing that we shared always, and we still do, is we like what the people like. Yeah. We like the familiar, the standards, you know, like that song that's like takes you back to high school, you know, all that stuff. Well, first of all, I'm not a songwriter, so I don't have that in me, so I just gravitate towards good songs. Yes. But speaking of songwriting, so you you tag team on a handful of original songs with max impact dedicated to Yeah.
Ryan :So I think the very first project we did was Locked and Loaded, and that was just kind of an overarching, you know, like here's the Air Force, we're locked and loaded. This is the thick of 9-11. Yeah, right after 9-11. Then we did Stand about the Honor Guard, we did Send Me, which is our big one that we wrote for Special Tactics in the Air Force. So it was huge. Uh I think the last one we did was Find You about BMT and about being uh instructors and stuff. But I think we won, I can't remember now in my old age, but I think four first place awards for like Air Force original music, like top at the top. So I guess our Grammys. I don't know, whatever that means.
KC:You know, no, it was I remember they'd come out, you know, you guys would grab videos on deployment. I remember those, all those being shared. They're on YouTube. You should check those out. I'm sure if you just YouTube like Max Impact or something, yeah. There's some great stuff. The the other thing that I that I love about starting this podcast with you, man, is when I do a solo date, of course I referenced the military career. I mean, that was the majority of my musical life. And so I always tell people, I'm like, listen, there's three things, right? Number one is to honor the fallen. If it weren't for Arlington Cemetery, none of us would have a job. I mean, that's the main purpose. And number two is the esprit decor, right? To encourage and inspire, uplift those that are still active. And then number three is to bridge the gap, I think, between the American public who we've entertained and performed for, bridge the gap between them and the frontline soldier.
Ryan :Yeah, humanize the uniform. Right.
KC:So it's like we don't have to have the answers. We can think we have the answers, but it's not about what we think, it's about the music. Right. Because music heals, it soothes, it um Yeah, I used to say our job was to help others forget about their job. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So you're gonna be one of the few people that I interview that have deployed and done that number two thing.
Ryan :Yeah.
KC:Because in DC, yes, there's active duty in our audiences, right? Right, right. Like, but it's rare that we are performing for an all-uniformed audience. Yeah. Because we do so much PR. I know you got a ton of deployment stories, but tell me about some of the kind of the highlights of that. I mean, like things that just stick out in your mind, like oh man, yeah, so much.
Ryan :Um, first of all, like being part of the crew that first was able to go do that kind of thing, you know. We didn't know what the heck we were doing. And I look back on it now and I'm like, we were crazy. Like, you know, we had no ops playing. We were getting on the back of a helicopter and flying into some fob somewhere and getting off and playing, right? Right. And it was nuts. But man, we always talk about how music changes hearts and minds. And you know, we do the company line, it was our job to sell that stuff on stage. But man, to see it actually materialize out there, like one of my favorite stories I always share, and I I probably beat it to death, but it's such a cool story was you know, we're on this fob and we've been performing for these guys. And when I talk about downrange, because we were such a small unit, we were able to go really far forward to where the typical Air Force person would never get to. Or the typical USO tour. Yeah, USO wouldn't even touch it. Like so they're so you know, we're on this Ford operating base with a lot of special operators, a lot of them sanitized, right? Meaning nothing on their uniforms, beards, because they, you know, they they want to be indigenous. So anyway, long story short, we get done doing this show, and and I would always end every show with home by Chris Dotry. And that's like encourage people like, hey, listen, this is just a moment. You're going home, your family needs you. You know, we need you. Right. And, you know, of course, thinking about my family too, because I'm away from them as well. Right. But man, I'll never forget we got done doing that, and this big burly, you know, green beret came up to me and he took off his uh army special forces patch and he threw it at my chest, and he just looking at me and I said, Can I help you? Like, I I didn't even know what to say. He said, I just want to let you know you saved my life tonight. And I was like, What are you talking about? I just took a step back and he said that he had been out there for a while and they had just extended him and he was gonna kill himself. Oh my goodness gracious. But then when we sang home, it made him think of his wife and his kids, and he's like, I can push through and do this. The dude turned around and left, and then I still have that patch on my desk that he gave me in that moment.
KC:Man, I can imagine he's one of those dudes like that was really difficult for him to tell. Like the music, right, broke through this crust, man.
Ryan :Multi-million dollar warfighter that was about to take his life. But like I said, you know, our job is to help them forget about their job. Right. And music's a time machine, bro. You said it. Like, you know, when you hear your wedding song for you and Kara, where are you? Right. Right back at your wedding, right? And so in those moments, we're able to transport these guys back to their home and let them forget about that kind of stuff. So it's it's really cool to see that happen. I mean, and yeah, there's countless stories, man. There's funny ones about, you know, dealing with host nations and Romanian-led bases. You name it, I've seen it. From the worst of the worst to where we're peeing in tubes on the side of a mountain to, you know, we got the greatest pool in the desert at Aldafra, right?
KC:So, but it's crazy. So, how many times did you guys or were you involved in a deployment with So I six deployments, yeah. Oh man.
Ryan :And you know, it ranges too. We had those community relations things too that we do over there. I mean, I remember going to Kyrgyzstan and playing for the school for the deaf. And everybody's like, Well, what are you doing with the school for the deaf? Put all our speakers on the floor face down, and they were feeling everything. You know, it was really cool. You know, they couldn't hear us, but they could feel us and they could see us, right?
KC:So power of music, man. Shoot yeah. Put the bass player to work, didn't you? That's right. Ryan, so I love what you just shared about that special forces guy that just came up and like basically, in his own way, opened up to you and told you that you, through the music, saved his life. I mean, literally. Yeah. So what I love sharing with people, because I've never deployed, but what I love sharing with people is when I was at about the 10-year mark in the service, a friend of Kara's, she went went to school with this guy named Tim Farry. And Tim at the time was a major, he was a chaplain in the army. Uh, he had been on numerous deployments as a chaplain uh downrange before and after this moment. We were talking and I was telling a little bit about some things that I was frustrated with, you know, just life, DC, the military. Right. You know, I was whining.
Ryan :Yeah.
KC:Right. Because I was feeling that gospel call that I'm that I'm able to do now, like full throttle. I was feeling that tug. I was like, man, do I want to stay 10 more years? I really want to get in the ministry, yada yada yada. Well, he told me he was like, Casey, you guys, through music, get to share more Jesus than I do from the pulpit in uniform. And he reminded me, like, you guys are closing out every concert with Battle Hymn of the Republic. That third verse says, In the beauty of the lilies, Christ was born across the sea with a glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me. He says, even if they don't know Christ, people are clapping, but Jesus is sneaking in through you guys into these people's lives. You're getting away with it because it's patriotic, it's it's spiritual, it's a genre, right? But the truth is it is what it is. Yeah. Think about choral music. Choral music came from the church. The majority of the choral rep that we performed was sacred base tech. Now, some of it might have been in Latin, some of it might have been high church, but so much gospel. Think about the Christmas concerts. Yep. Holiday concerts. Yeah. It was there, man. And so whenever I got frustrated, I'd be like, all right, the truth is we're still sharing Jesus on almost every concert. Yeah. So I don't know, man. Does that bring up anything? Yeah.
Ryan :Like, you know? I guess that was the frustrating thing about our job too. You know, you couldn't talk about that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? But I will say this like, I knew that about you from the very first moment I met you. You know what I mean? Like the joy of the Lord was always in you, you know, and you had always talked about your passion for gospel. And you know, I mean, and who wouldn't? I mean, with your voice, I mean, bro, you're built for it, bro. You know what I mean? You always were. And I so I always knew that calling on your life. And to see you now be on the other side and happy and doing your I'm so happy for you, man.
KC:Oh man, I appreciate it.
Ryan :You know, and it comes down to hope, right? Because music gives us hope. But as a believer, we know our hope is only in Jesus. And it's taken me a lot of pain and heartache to get to the point where I recognize that you know, without Jesus, we have nothing. Oh, yeah. You know, and there was times in my younger days of my career I wish I would have been a little bit more focused on Jesus and not so much on me. Yeah, you know, but I think that's where the true hope comes from. You know, it doesn't come from the lyric, it comes from the spirit, right? People can feel that, you know, and I've been able to go on and I always had a passion for worship music, you know, and I've been leading worship now for 20 some years. And Angie and I just found a new church home down here by us. And after I retired, you know, Angie and I make the joke that we finally feel like we live here. Because you know, we were always up on bass, or you know, we don't we didn't know our community here, you know. So now we're really plugged into our local church, and I've been leading worship there, you know, playing guitar and singing and doing the things and getting to lead worship, and that's where my heart is too. Like it's never been standing with a folder in my hands and singing an opera or something like that. Even though we were built to do that, you know what I'm saying?
KC:There's a time and place, yeah. People are like, Man, you should do opera. I'm like, I did just enough opera to know that I don't want to do it for a living.
Ryan :That's right. That's right.
KC:That's how much I did. That's right. No, but honestly, tons of beautiful, recognized music that people hear and appreciate.
Ryan :And you know, going into the pop world too, right? That was hard. Because you don't I don't connect, and 90% of the stuff that was on the radio we couldn't do anyway, right? Because of the message, right. Or because of the words, you know, so that was always a battle, too. Yeah.
KC:Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of safe, generic text out there, songs out there, yeah. That are just harmless, fun songs, right? But yeah, you really have to be careful with what you're listening to. But anyway, we're getting a little bit off track. One of the other things I tell people as far as singing sacred music in uniform and ministering through song, letting a song soothe, heal, you know, be that that bomb that helps people through whatever, whether it's a deployment or losing someone or whatever. You you never know. I loved um looking out and seeing people being moved by what we were kind of thinking is maybe even being on cruise control at times. Um, I tell people I'm like, the the military, the army, the air force is not my church, you know, and the generals were not my pastor. However, music God uses that, man. And yeah, it could be a journey song, it could be a gospel song, it could be a whatever. It means something. Man, I'm just so grateful, you know, to first of all, just to reconnect and see you again. And then I'm just excited about sharing your story and sharing other people's stories about what we did in uniform through music. And then, of course, I'm gonna be sharing other friends, you know, that are in the gospel industry their whole lives. That's a world that's just so fun to like to be in now that I've been watching from a distance and to sing with Poet Voices and to sing with Phil Cross and Donnie and Jeff. You would love them, they would love you.
Ryan :But that's still my goal to jam with you guys so much. I know, man.
KC:I'm not giving up on you. I call this guy, and you know, every so often I'm like, hey man, I need a tenor, man. I need a lead, I need something. And he's just like, let me talk to Ange. No, listen, he's a busy man, he's got a real job.
Ryan :But hey, before we go though, I think you owe your listeners because you know, you and I live together, basically. Yeah, you know, road bros. What's your favorite memory of the two of us together? Like, what's something that you recall that we did? Something stupid or something funny, or all right.
KC:So, what about this one? Okay. This wasn't in the uniform, but this was us four. We went camping. Okay. I think we were here in Southern Maryland, we were probably down. I th I want to say. Of course, it's raining. That's what happens when you decide to pitch a tent and go camping. But we go down there and we're like, like anything else, we didn't really prepare. But I remember the four of us before kids. I think Max. Yeah. Was that your first schnauzer?
Ryan :Yeah.
KC:Max was with you. But all I know is the four of us slept on a queen size air mattress turned sideways. So we at least had our upper. Um, the girls were in the middle. Yeah.
Ryan :Oh my god, it was pouring down rain. We had uh plastic bags wrapped around the dog and I'm sure. The girls planned the trip, didn't they? Didn't they surprise us?
KC:Uh yeah, I think so.
Ryan :I think they surprised us because I I think I have a picture of us in like the back seat with blindfolds on. Oh, yes. Yeah, and I think they surprised us.
KC:Oh man, I didn't remember that part. I just remember, you know, basically like shoulder to shoulder. Anyway, it was tight. Oh man. Yeah, so we had some good times, and then there's there's other camping stories too. But anyway. Hey, listen, uh, before we close out, I got a gift for you.
Ryan :Oh man.
KC:So I hope it fits you. We do. But it's a shirt that says, just keep singing. If you dig the color, that's cool. I do have some other colors if you want to exchange it. Thank you. That's fine.
Ryan :I love it.
KC:But man, I really appreciate you. I mean, you hosted me. I'm I'm the host of the podcast being hosted by the guest.
Ryan :Hey everybody, I'm Ryan, and uh, I'm still singing.
Music :Locked And Loaded- sung by Ryan Carson and Max Impact